KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons.
Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care.
With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game.
I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it.
Go read this
Variety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.29 00:38:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons.
Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care.
With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game.
I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it. Go read thisVariety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay. I have question, why you comparing pistol with submachine gun?! SMG will be everytime faster. BTW what i know, by lore observation, it should be (in pistols) scramble>bolt>Ion>matari one (dont know matari pistol name) edit.: And about weapon itself, Gallente many times show their versatile and multiuse arms in combat. Their AR is still god weapon for every situation, their shooty same story in hands of speedysuits, thats reason why i thing Ion pistol should be race con in weapons. I
I didn't make the thread. He probably compared it to the SMG because they're both sidearms.
And no, lore does not, and should not dictate balance. Ideally every weapon should be equally viable, but thrive in different roles and have different pros and cons.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.29 01:09:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons.
Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care.
With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game.
I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it. Go read thisVariety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay. I have question, why you comparing pistol with submachine gun?! SMG will be everytime faster. BTW what i know, by lore observation, it should be (in pistols) scramble>bolt>Ion>matari one (dont know matari pistol name) edit.: And about weapon itself, Gallente many times show their versatile and multiuse arms in combat. Their AR is still god weapon for every situation, their shooty same story in hands of speedysuits, thats reason why i thing Ion pistol should be race con in weapons. I I didn't make the thread. He probably compared it to the SMG because they're both sidearms. And no, lore does not, and should not dictate balance. Ideally every weapon should be equally viable, but thrive in different roles and have different pros and cons. Oki, what i trying to say every side should have crappy arms and some good ones. What i can see: Amar - Scramble/Scramble Minmatar - HMG/SMG Caldari - Rail/Forge Gallente - AR/Shotgun Its maybe a faulty observation (sorry Aspi here), but its how i see it. What is best from its lore, oher weaponry i see like support ones.
This is bad for variety since it would mean each race would have guns not worth using, so no one would use those guns, and it would be the same as not having those guns in the game at all. Its better to just try to make every weapon good and useful in their own ways wit pros and cons than having a weapon itself be the pro or con. No one will use a con weapon, and it will be bad for variety.
Also, the AR is outclassed by the new rifles, the plasma cannon is a crappy AV weapon not on par with the Caldari swarm launcher. The Gallente already have enough weapons that suck compared to the others, so even by your logic, having the ion pistol be plain inferior is unwarranted.
Furthermore, labeling weapons a weapon "support" does not make up for the fact that they just suck.
As for lore, it dictates that:
Gallente have shortest range, and use plasma/blaster weapons (AR, shotgun, plasma cannon, ion pistol, blaster) that are good against shields.
Caldari have longest range, and use high damage railgun weapons (rail rifle, forge gun, sniper rifle, bolt pistol, magsec SMG, railguns) that are good against armor, and some missile weapons that are the best against armor (swarm launcher, missile turrets)
Amarr have 2nd longest range, and use laser/energy weapons (scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle, laser rifle) that are the best against shields
Minmatar have the 2nd shortest range, and use projectile weapons that are good against armor, and some explosives (mass driver, flaylock pistol) that are the best against armor.
While these things are generally set in stone, there is still lots of room to balance around them. For example, Caldari have high range, high damage, and good armor damage, to balance it you can make Caldari weapons have very low rate of fire as a tradeoff so it will have overall lower damage per second in exchange for having the highest range. Gallente have lowest range, but to make up for that, they can be given the highest damage per second.
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